" this ḥadīth is not authentic, for Muḥammad ibn al-Ḥasan ibn Atash is criticized; Ibn Ḥammād said: he is abandoned in ḥadīth. And Muḥammad ibn al-Ḥasan ibn Muḥammad ibn Ziyād, Ṭalḥah ibn Muḥammad ibn Jaʿfar said about him: he used to lie." I say: this criticism holds no value whatsoever, for two reasons: first, they were not the only ones who narrated the ḥadīth as we have previously mentioned, and it is astonishing and strange that this was hidden from Ibn al-Jawzī or at least some of it... and it is in "Musnad Aḥmad" with an authentic chain as previously mentioned. The second reason is that Ibn Atash's status does not reach the level of being abandoned, for he was deemed reliable by a group, including Abū Ḥātim, and the opposition of Ibn Ḥammād—who is al-Dūlābī, the author of "al-Kuná"—is questionable, as mentioned in "al-Mīzān" and "al-Lisān," so his criticism does not stand against the endorsement of Abū Ḥātim, especially since this is considered from the strict ones! Likewise, what is said about al-Azdī's statement regarding him is similar to al-Dūlābī's, for he is also criticized. Yes, al-Nasāʾī agreed with them as mentioned in "al-Tahdhīb," but this was refuted by the ḥāfiẓ Aḥmad ibn Ṣāliḥ, who said: "He is reliable, and al-Nasāʾī's statement about him is not accepted." The ḥāfiẓ said subsequently: "because Aḥmad and ʿAlī ibn al-Madīnī only narrate from someone who is accepted, with Aḥmad ibn Ṣāliḥ's reasoning in this." Therefore, the ḥāfiẓ said in "al-Taqrīb": "truthful, but with some leniency." Similarly, Muḥammad ibn al-Ḥasan ibn Ziyād, as al-Dhahabī and al-ʿAsqalānī said about him: "he is truthful, those who accused him of lying were mistaken, but he is not a primary source."
" هذا حديث لا يصح، فإن محمد بن الحسن بن أتش مجروح، قال: ابن حماد: هو متروك الحديث. ومحمد بن الحسن بن محمد بن زياد قال فيه طلحة بن محمد بن جعفر: كان يكذب ". فأقول: هذا التجريح لا قيمة له البتة، وذلك من وجهين: الأول: أنهما لم يتفردا بالحديث كما قدمنا، ومن العجيب الغريب أن يخفى ذلك على ابن الجوزي أو على الأقل بعضه.. وهو في " مسند أحمد " بسند صحيح كما تقدم. والآخر: أن ابن أتش لا يبلغ أمره أن يترك، فإنه قد وثقه جمع منهم أبو حاتم، ومخالفة ابن حماد - وهو الدولابي مؤلف الكنى - متكلم فيه، كما في " الميزان " و " اللسان "، فتجريحه لا ينهض لمعارضته توثيق أبي حاتم، ولاسيما وهذا معدود من المتشددين! وكذلك يقال عن قول الأزدي فيه مثل قول الدولابي فإنه مطعون فيه. نعم قد وافقهما النسائي كما في " التهذيب "، لكن رد ذلك الحافظ أحمد بن صالح فقال: " هو ثقة، وكلام النسائي فيه غير مقبول ". قال الحافظ عقبه: " لأن أحمد وعلي بن المديني لا يرويان إلا عن مقبول، معقول أحمد بن صالح فيه ". ولذلك قال الحافظ في " التقريب ": " صدوق فيه لين ". ومثله محمد بن الحسن بن زياد، فقد قال فيه الذهبي والعسقلاني: " هو صدوق، أخطأ في حقه من كذبه، ولكن ما هو بعمدة ".